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on with the show welcome to somewhere in

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the skies I'm your host Ryan Sprague and

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today we've got Mike Demonte on the show

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I'm trying to say is you know that's

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such a big debate in you know in you

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ethology and his disclosure disclosure

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everything has to be disclosure you know

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if it's not the full truth you know we

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don't want it and it just it's just a

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very impatient community and I'm a very

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impatient person I get back but at the

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same time it's just like I feel like the

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the standards are always so high if it's

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not disclosure it's you know we don't

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care and the thing is outside of this

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think about it for a minute how much of

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the mainstream public really care about

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this topic now I know it's becoming more

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mainstream and more acceptable and I

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know a lot of people do believe but how

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many people believe enough to actually

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read more about it more research about

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it or so that's what I'm trying to do

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with the book it's trying to get people

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to kind of say hey maybe I should care

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about

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this is somewhere in the skies the brain

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spreads

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[Music]

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that was true believers by one of my

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favorite punk bands the bouncing Souls

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and it was clearly an inspiration for

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today's guests who you've heard on the

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show several times before but today is a

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very exciting day because his new book

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has just crash landed all over the place

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punk rock and UFOs true believers that's

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right we're talking to Mike damad a host

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of the punk rock in UFOs blog and author

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of conquer ik and UFOs cryptozoology

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meets anarchy

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his most recent book flips us at our

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heads and makes us look at belief

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systems like never before we dive deep

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into some of the most controversial and

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thought-provoking questions he poses in

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the book who are these regular people

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researching extraordinary things and

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what are the commonalities with those

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who aren't initiated in the beliefs of

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the unknown in a time where UFOs are

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slowly creeping more and more into the

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mainstream consciousness it's important

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that we as a society want to know the

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truth and are actively seeking true

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believers is that wake-up call that

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looks to bridge the gap between the UFO

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research community and the mainstream so

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without further ado let's hear from

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today's guest like Demonte Mike Demonte

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thank you for returning today my man -

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somewhere in the skies thank you for

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having me like I said this I think this

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is one of the first podcasts I was ever

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on and I think you know somewhere in the

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skies has done a lot for punk rock and

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UFOs and you've done a lot for me so I

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love being back on thank you

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of course my man it is a give-and-take

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and I love the work you do and it's just

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furthering everyday you know with punk

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rock and UFOs the blog and now you've

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got a new book that is coming out well

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will be out by the time this airs so I'm

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super excited to talk to you today about

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that man but before we we even get to

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that what's been going on over at punk

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rock in UFOs the website anything

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anything exciting going on over there

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most recent thing I post a post

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interview with Professor Jeffrey crapple

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who's a professor of Religious Studies

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at Rice University which is located here

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in Houston where I live that was

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recently I also have a few book reviews

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coming up I like to review books as well

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as as well as interview people on the

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site so I'm a couple of those coming up

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yeah just trying to find stories the

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thing with the web is with the website

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know it's hard to do that so that's why

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I always try to post when I feel I'd

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even necessary or they it's interesting

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or newsworthy or something different so

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I'm always trying to look for something

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I can do that's not just reporting or

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not just aggregating something else

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don't have something to say don't say it

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so why you know why keep recycling

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things over and over again so that's

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new article it's always something

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thought-provoking something that not

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everyone's talking about and gets the

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conversation going new fresh material

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new questions to ask so again I love

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what you do over there and I think the

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last time I had you on was telling the

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2017 wasn't it when we did that year-end

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wrap-up yeah Jason McClellan mjp niacin

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yourself came on and this was right

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right when you know to the Stars Academy

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was starting up the New York Times

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article was released so I have to ask

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man where do you personally stand right

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now almost a year mad a little under a

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year has passed since we last spoke

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about all this where do you stand on all

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this right now I think it's interesting

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don't think it's the it's gonna I think

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people have to be patient because

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whether it's it ends up being something

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you know that's that changes everything

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or if it doesn't I think it's gonna be

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something just not gonna happen

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overnight I think it's it's cool that

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you know you see Lewis Elizondo is kind

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kinda taking a step backwards and it's

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concentrating more on you know the other

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Stars Academy and I think that's a good

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thing yeah and like I said earlier I

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think I think people have to be patient

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see just give it time because for all

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the things they want to roll out doesn't

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seem like it's gonna happen within a

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year you know yeah absolutely I'm with

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on just like get it out there and now

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I'm slowly learning that we can't we

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can't have this stuff shoved down our

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throats you know it does have to be a

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gradual I hate this term I know em

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juveniles does as well this drip drip

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disclosure but that's kind of what we

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have to accept at this point if we want

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to continue following the work of

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Elizondo and long and everyone else over

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to the stars is if you want this stuff

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you're gonna have to wait because we are

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getting the information as we're giving

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it to you guys you know it's not like

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they're sitting on some huge treasure

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trove of information it's slowly being

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disclosed to them as well I would assume

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to the Stars Academy but but yeah it's

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fascinating the videos they've released

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since we last spoke have been extremely

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compelling and now we know that a

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skinwalker had a lot to do with this as

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well and Bob Bigelow so it's only

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getting more interesting and more

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strange as we we move forward with all

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this so I'm along for the ride man I

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know you are too so yeah yeah

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fascinating exciting and I love the

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times are living in now with the UFO

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disclosure yeah it's uh it's fascinating

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because I mean we're getting these

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videos and it's getting people to talk

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and if people are talking that's a good

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thing so I mean that's all I can ask for

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right now exactly my family is asking me

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about UFOs and that's never happened

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before all this went down so that's all

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we could really ask for

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well like the real reason we're here

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today is to talk about your follow up

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book to punk rock and UFOs and that is

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true believers so I have to ask before

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we get into sort of the meat of what the

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book is about what made you want to

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write a follow-up book and why did you

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choose this overall theme of true

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believers I'm fascinated by that so I

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want to write a follow-up book is you

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know I felt like my first book got a lot

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of people talking and when I saw the

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people were interested in what I had to

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say about the topic I was like well they

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may be interesting what else I have to

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say that I work homes

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next and there are things I would have

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done differently about the first book so

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all those those things that you know I

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had a problems with I problems with or I

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wanted to tweak I kind of I kind of took

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what I learned from that one and applied

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it to the second one I wanted to write a

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book that was it's different it's it's

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more researched it tackles some the same

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topics but from a different angle I

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wanted to write a book that that the UFO

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researcher to pick up and the everyday

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person could pick up and so beat both

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there'll be synergy in between them you

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know something that they can both pull

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from it it's easy enough where the

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average person will understand it and

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it's thought-provoking enough for

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someone involved in you ethology to make

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them you know think about some things so

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I kind of went in with that idea I

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wanted to write a book that kind of you

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know pull from those two groups of

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people but also I really wanted to kind

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of have a book to be a call to call it a

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call to action persuasive text kind of

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if you will about why this stuff's

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important why people should care because

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it the first book at you know kind of

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asked you know why do we rebel against

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our certain belief systems our process

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of beliefs and this is kind of arguing

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why we should care about it so hence the

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title of true believers which is also a

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song of a song title from the band the

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Basking sold which was a prog rock band

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so I kind of goes with the brand to kind

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of worked and I thought it was it was

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very very catchy and clever so that was

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just kind of fit together the the the

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name that the working title and then

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thematically everything in the book and

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it just kind of came together really

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well yeah man it's ever since you

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released the cover of the book to the

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public and I saw it and I remembered

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that song by the bouncing Souls

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I've been blasting it non-stop in my

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this point but dude it's so it's

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invigorating and when you mix UFOs with

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punk rock it's just there's nothing like

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it and there's no one like you doing

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that out there so when it comes to

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movies now these are some chapters that

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really stuck out to me this book is a

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very quick read for anyone out there

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it's easily accessible digestible and

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what I really enjoy about what you do is

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you bring theories to the table you're

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not just throwing info in

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the book from Wikipedia and publishing

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it you're actually putting the things

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out there in asking questions of it and

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that came first for me in Chapter two

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and that's the god complex

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you know being part of the title belief

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plays a huge part in the the entire UFO

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question and you cover religion in

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Chapter two which is you know super

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risky I would say to sort of start the

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book off with but I loved it I loved

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that you just kind of went there so

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could you tell us a bit more about why

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you wanted to tackle UFOs and religion

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to begin with so early on in the book

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well I think because it goes against so

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many people's preconceived beliefs what

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they were taught up you know people who

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religious you know they're taught a

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certain thing and they go together you

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know it's not it's not like pick or

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choose choose your size it's not you

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know religion or this I really think

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that there are some parallels that can

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be drawn there I'm not a religious

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person I find the stories in religion

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fascinating but I'm not like I don't go

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to church or anything I'm agnostic but I

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think there's there's possibly some

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truth in some of these religious stories

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and I wanted to start with that chapter

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just because once again it is people's

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process of belief I want to jump right

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in there and hit him right from the

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start people who may not be a

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non-believer you know in the stuff we

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believe in you know UFOs and ufology and

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I just kind of wanted again you know to

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question their own beliefs and say well

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if we believe in this why can't we

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believe in this so that's kind of why

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yeah it's kind of my kind of jump right

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into that from the start

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right and you really jumped into it when

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you pointed out the Betty Andreia sin

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abduction which we covered extensively

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on a early episode of somewhere in the

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skies now you have to tell me i you and

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i have talked extensively about this

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case as well the religious undertones or

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overtones to this entire case it's it's

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just it's right out there so I would

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love maybe if you could give us sort of

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a brief overview of the undressing

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affair and why you chose to include it

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into this chapter it's really

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interesting well I chose include because

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I read the book and I was blown away I

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love books

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I love the UFO books about abductions

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and about hypnosis and the regressions I

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love hearing those stories and that one

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stood out for me what stood out for me

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you know through visitations they were

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very specific and they were specific

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religious imagery that was coming

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through to her you know in these in her

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abductions and in her regressions and I

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always wondered if you know you know is

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that part of whatever she was

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experiencing because what she

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experienced was real to her

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now that was that something she was

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really seeing or is that her

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pre-established beliefs mixing them with

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it and that mystery was really

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fascinating so that's why I wanted to

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include that because you have this

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religious similar like the Phoenix which

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appears in Christianity appears in

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Egyptian mythology you know so that was

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something I really wanted to include

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just because she was somebody who was

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previously a very religious person and

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she had her belief system kind of

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flipped on its on his tail you know when

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this happened to her so yeah this

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happens to everyone and I thought it was

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a it was key to include it in that

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chapter just because of all the

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religious overtones to happen to her

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exactly and I've spoken to many

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witnesses who claims some sort of

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spiritual connection or you know almost

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like miraculous experience during in a

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production experience or a UFO sighting

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you know one woman in particular and

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another gentleman I spoke to they prayed

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that the event would stop and it stopped

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so you really do have to wonder your

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perception your beliefs your your

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structure of belief throughout your life

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it does that influence what you're

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experiencing or vice versa so yeah I

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found that really fascinating and then

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another person that you spoke to that we

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mentioned earlier that you in her food

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for your blog and in the book was

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Jeffrey [\h__\h] what did he have to say

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about religion and how it sort of

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influences the the perception of a UFO

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event um was really telling when I

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talked to him is which he said that the

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Bible is filled with what we would call

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paranormal stories and I read his quote

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directly the quotes in the book it's

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also on on the interview I did with him

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on punk rock in UFOs calm he says we

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have people telling a story with

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abilities and it's miraculous or an act

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of God if these paranormal abilities

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belong to another community a competing

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or Warner community then they are magic

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or witchcraft

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so it's interesting how like you know he

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what he's saying is basically people can

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code these different abilities that you

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know are they angelic or they

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evil right which depends on what tribe

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they belong to so that was really

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interesting that visitor his response to

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the Bible is filled what we would call

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paranormal stories when you think about

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it the Bible is full of paranormal and

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outlandish and mythical amazing like you

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know stories that sound impossible

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absolutely man I mean levitating on

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water turning water into wine it's all

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there it is it's like the biggest

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paranormal book out there if you really

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think about it

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whoa let's let's move on to chapter four

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this one really really caught my

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attention as well this was titled

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destination unknown and this immediately

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brought to mind Josh gates and Aaron

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rider in all these really cool people

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that I know you and I both follow in

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these worlds but before we get to that

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you allude to research into cryptids you

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know not just UFOs being hindered by the

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limitations of travel you know logistics

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all this sort of stuff I you know you

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talked about how there are these really

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isolated areas 2,000 miles away from

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civilization so how do we investigate

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those areas how do we how do we know

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what's going on there that really really

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stuck with me I've never really thought

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of it that way so could you sort of

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maybe comment on some of these examples

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you came up with with in terms of like

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locations in geography having a lot to

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do with UFO investigations well one of

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the things I go back to with this is you

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need people who care enough to research

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it right you need resources you need you

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go on expeditions and this is something

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that if you believe is out there in a

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research this mean I'm constantly when I

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interviewed Erin Ryder from Destination

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Truth when she was telling me was a lot

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of the production of limitations they

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have you know there and these parts of

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the world which are sometimes dangerous

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not just geographically but also

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socio-political you are dangerous places

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to be and they're out there for about

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two or three days you know in not safe

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conditions and what is the chance the

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percentage that you're gonna happen to

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see Bigfoot in that that three-day

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window that you're there oh hey so

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that's why so many of these shows are so

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inconclusive which is kind of a tease to

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the viewer but I mean it is all you know

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you're not

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you know it's almost a one-in-a-million

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chance to find something because anytime

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someone ever cites something it's always

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by accident yeah it's very rare that

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somebody goes out to find you know a lot

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this monster or a chupacabra or any any

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cryptid and they actually see something

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so yeah I think it kind of goes with

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having the the want to research these

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things and the abilities to do so

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absolutely you know in another person

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who who really wanted to do that that

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you found was a hero of mine I was huge

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into WWE the Hardy Boys

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all those guys Christian edge

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they were my if my heroes man growing up

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Royal Rumbles and Lita

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Lita know this kick-ass girl in the WWE

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you got to interview her about her road

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show that she's doing about UFOs so I

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had to ask how the hell did this girl

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get interested in UFOs and how'd you get

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hooked up with her and what's going on

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with that honestly I met her years ago

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at a Comic Con bang and she doesn't

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remember but there's some how mushy may

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have posted something about know Renee

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Young who works for dev weg she posted a

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photo of her and WIDA they were at there

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at Roswell or something like that and I

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may have commented on it I don't know

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how how it started but she should be

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sorry she started following me back on

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Twitter and we just start having

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discussions about UFOs and I knew she

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was at these places exploring these

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things recreationally this is before she

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decided to kind of film it and she she

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just decided to do it DIY you know she

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wasn't talked to some companies that

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fell through and I mean she I think she

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has the resources to do so so she got

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interested in this stuff she was telling

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me she just went on a UFO tour in

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Arizona and she was blown away by it and

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that's all it took it took that tour and

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her show is more based on the human

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aspect of it which I think whenever she

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comes in your show is gonna be great

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because your book is it already based on

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a similar the human interaction her show

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is kind of more about the it's a little

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bit more Kitsch you know the kitchen

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elements of it but it's still kind of

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the human factor or people who are

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interested in this stuff to say yeah

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I've been a big wrestling fan for years

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so it was kind of cool to you know I was

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it I was along to break the story that

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she was having a

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so if she wanted me to do so so that

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that was very flattering because like I

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said I grew up I mean I still watch

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wrestling in this day so that was really

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cool

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absolutely man and I mean she's in a

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punk band so there's full circle right

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there and again just the idea that like

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these people who who are not necessarily

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in the UFO field are getting interested

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and bringing it to a new audience more

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people can now look at this topic and be

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like there's something to this there you

542
00:20:35,019 --> 00:20:33,140
go right there it's it's just like it's

543
00:20:37,269 --> 00:20:35,029
spreading it's becoming more mainstream

544
00:20:39,639 --> 00:20:37,279
and we'll get into that a little bit

545
00:20:42,430 --> 00:20:39,649
later but I love it I love that chapter

546
00:20:44,049 --> 00:20:42,440
the next chapter that really stuck out

547
00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:44,059
to me was chapter 10 of the book

548
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:46,370
revolution science I love the titles of

549
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,010
your chapters by the way man very very

550
00:20:52,779 --> 00:20:50,720
you could sell you're a journalist you

551
00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:52,789
hook comes right from the title so in

552
00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:55,220
this chapter you propose technologies

553
00:21:00,340 --> 00:20:57,860
you know scientific advancements and how

554
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,350
they may sort of play into a furthering

555
00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:02,720
the research of UFOs everything from

556
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:04,940
like hotspots of UFO activity

557
00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:08,000
dark energy natural resource it's DMT

558
00:21:12,669 --> 00:21:10,370
like it was all over the place I loved

559
00:21:15,549 --> 00:21:12,679
it and you you spoke to many different

560
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:15,559
types of scientists even would you care

561
00:21:19,659 --> 00:21:17,690
to sort of lab rate on you know maybe

562
00:21:21,070 --> 00:21:19,669
some of the thoughts and theories of the

563
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,080
individuals you interviewed for this

564
00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:23,120
chapter in this chapter some of the

565
00:21:27,490 --> 00:21:24,769
people I spoke to is more just kind of

566
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:27,500
the the way this stuff is viewed by the

567
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:29,210
scientific community I was kind of like

568
00:21:33,340 --> 00:21:31,850
a pseudoscience that's all I wanted to

569
00:21:35,649 --> 00:21:33,350
get people's insights who were in

570
00:21:37,210 --> 00:21:35,659
academia or involved in in any type of

571
00:21:39,370 --> 00:21:37,220
science I want to kind of get their

572
00:21:41,049 --> 00:21:39,380
insights to it but what I also want to

573
00:21:43,180 --> 00:21:41,059
include as some of the advances that

574
00:21:44,889 --> 00:21:43,190
mainstream science that are doing the

575
00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:44,899
fact that you know a University of Texas

576
00:21:49,210 --> 00:21:47,240
approved I believe it was a 40 million

577
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:49,220
dollar upgrade to its telescope to study

578
00:21:54,970 --> 00:21:52,250
dark energy like that says something you

579
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,980
know matron sciences are starting to

580
00:21:59,560 --> 00:21:57,440
break from the tradition in the mold and

581
00:22:02,110 --> 00:21:59,570
start to kind of go other places in

582
00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:02,120
terms of what they research like I said

583
00:22:05,370 --> 00:22:02,990
some of the people I spoke to in this

584
00:22:07,930 --> 00:22:05,380
chapter was a Greg Grafton who is the

585
00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:07,940
frontman of the band Bad Religion he's

586
00:22:13,419 --> 00:22:10,460
also PhD professor at Cornell UCLA he's

587
00:22:15,399 --> 00:22:13,429
a he teaches evolutionary biology and

588
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:15,409
then another thing I kind of covered was

589
00:22:19,180 --> 00:22:16,970
how John Hopkins University

590
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,190
seeking out people who have seen a

591
00:22:24,250 --> 00:22:22,640
beings or entities for a study while on

592
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:24,260
the drug of DMT which I talked about my

593
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:26,690
first book right as well so that kind of

594
00:22:30,460 --> 00:22:28,130
that kind of comes together to and how

595
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:30,470
people are kind of saying DMT represents

596
00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:31,970
a spirit molecule and this goes back to

597
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,350
kind of the theory I proposed in the

598
00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:35,840
first book that you know what if our our

599
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,340
soul Colonel Koehler soul is our

600
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:38,960
consciousness and it lives on and goes

601
00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:40,970
to the goes to these places of the

602
00:22:46,029 --> 00:22:43,580
universe that we cannot currently get to

603
00:22:48,250 --> 00:22:46,039
you in our current physical be current

604
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:48,260
physical state and you know these are

605
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:50,210
some ideas that are actually starting to

606
00:22:54,779 --> 00:22:52,130
be looked into by by mainstream science

607
00:22:56,860 --> 00:22:54,789
quantum physics my man I love it

608
00:22:58,990 --> 00:22:56,870
speaking with speaking of physics the

609
00:23:01,180 --> 00:22:59,000
other day so I was I was out of town I

610
00:23:03,159 --> 00:23:01,190
was in Chicago with my girlfriend and

611
00:23:04,510 --> 00:23:03,169
her friends and her friends brother was

612
00:23:06,190 --> 00:23:04,520
there and my first time meeting him and

613
00:23:08,289 --> 00:23:06,200
he's gonna he's going to get his

614
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,299
master's he's gonna try to be a

615
00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:10,640
physicist so the topic came up you know

616
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,900
what I'm into you we talked about you

617
00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:14,000
know UFOs and he's he says

618
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,070
mathematically absolutely there's other

619
00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:17,840
dimensions and there's other universes

620
00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:19,190
out there he's like he said

621
00:23:22,810 --> 00:23:21,080
mathematically there there's no denying

622
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,820
it no that was very interesting somebody

623
00:23:26,020 --> 00:23:24,559
who's going to this mainstream field who

624
00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:26,030
says you know mathematically you cannot

625
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:28,270
disqualify the these possibilities

626
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,650
absolutely and so many other physicists

627
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:32,240
have agreed with that that it's just

628
00:23:36,250 --> 00:23:34,970
it's it's ridiculous to think otherwise

629
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:36,260
I think at this point at least

630
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,970
mathematically and if you're looking at

631
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,440
it mathematically this is the most

632
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:41,600
structured thing we have on this planet

633
00:23:45,970 --> 00:23:44,090
in possibly the only way we could

634
00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:45,980
communicate with some other intelligence

635
00:23:50,289 --> 00:23:47,809
out so if you have someone like that

636
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,299
coming forward and saying there is

637
00:23:54,370 --> 00:23:51,679
something out there there are other

638
00:23:56,980 --> 00:23:54,380
dimensions or or worlds there ways to

639
00:23:59,230 --> 00:23:56,990
jump through and get there like that's

640
00:24:01,779 --> 00:23:59,240
that's exciting to me and that shows

641
00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:01,789
that even the the younger minds now

642
00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:03,950
giving in to the the physics realm are

643
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,929
willing to look at these topics and be

644
00:24:10,570 --> 00:24:08,240
like yeah yes definitely we're open to

645
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:10,580
it and we hope there is other life out

646
00:24:15,070 --> 00:24:12,260
there at least these people I've spoken

647
00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:15,080
to in this chapters well man you brought

648
00:24:20,860 --> 00:24:18,830
up a case that I as a UFO researcher

649
00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:20,870
should know about but have absolutely

650
00:24:26,139 --> 00:24:23,390
never heard of that was the the Lake

651
00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:26,149
Baikal case in Siberia what the hell is

652
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:28,190
this man could you give me a little bit

653
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,610
of information on this

654
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,159
so brief summary of it so it's really

655
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:33,840
fascinating because I kind of lead in

656
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:36,059
about how I talked about us knows a

657
00:24:39,499 --> 00:24:36,960
little bit you know what you're

658
00:24:41,479 --> 00:24:39,509
basically underwater UFOs and how so

659
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:41,489
many sightings appear you know by Navy

660
00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:44,100
bases or by waters or people a lot of

661
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:45,869
sightings happen by waters especially

662
00:24:50,989 --> 00:24:49,200
military base so I kind of went this

663
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:50,999
idea that maybe we should start looking

664
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:53,279
underwater instead of in the skies for

665
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:55,110
these answers and that brought makes

666
00:24:59,779 --> 00:24:57,090
this case which is where there's Russian

667
00:25:02,779 --> 00:24:59,789
divers they're in this Lake Lake Baikal

668
00:25:04,249 --> 00:25:02,789
and they saw but look we're three aliens

669
00:25:05,989 --> 00:25:04,259
I think it's three I forgot the number

670
00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:05,999
so there's basically aliens on their

671
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:08,190
water and they all they had on was just

672
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,940
a very primitive looking mask like a

673
00:25:15,769 --> 00:25:13,440
breathing apparatus and they were

674
00:25:18,349 --> 00:25:15,779
swimming in the water and apparently one

675
00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:18,359
of the the the Russian divers got too

676
00:25:22,849 --> 00:25:20,279
close to them and next thing you know

677
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:22,859
they were rocketed from the water onto

678
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:25,529
Shore where where they died where the

679
00:25:32,389 --> 00:25:30,720
person died so it's it's my boy like you

680
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:32,399
know I mean so many of these stories are

681
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:35,970
here even if it's 25% of them are true

682
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,779
yeah it's still amazing absolutely you

683
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:42,480
know my my colleague and someone a lot

684
00:25:47,899 --> 00:25:44,609
of people may know in the show Nick Pope

685
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:47,909
I love his response to most UFO accounts

686
00:25:53,239 --> 00:25:50,940
and it's extraordinary if true and

687
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:53,249
that's kind of what we have to rely on

688
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:55,590
at this point you know I'm all about the

689
00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:58,200
the human aspect witness testimony and

690
00:26:02,419 --> 00:26:00,419
that's where I stand man you know

691
00:26:05,659 --> 00:26:02,429
anytime in your story it's interesting

692
00:26:07,489 --> 00:26:05,669
if true and that's sometimes that's all

693
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:07,499
we can rely on is witness testimony when

694
00:26:11,509 --> 00:26:09,450
it comes to these things and for me I

695
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:11,519
love that I'll let other people deal

696
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:14,070
with the you know the trace evidence and

697
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:16,980
the documents and all bag all that good

698
00:26:20,869 --> 00:26:19,049
stuff stick me with a human being in a

699
00:26:22,220 --> 00:26:20,879
room let me see how they're reacting and

700
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:22,230
that's all I need to know

701
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:24,090
that's something either did happen to

702
00:26:28,489 --> 00:26:26,609
this person or it did not so so I land

703
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:28,499
on that one but the leg Pacal case I'm

704
00:26:32,830 --> 00:26:30,210
gonna have to look into this one so

705
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:32,840
we're moving on to to chapter 11

706
00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:36,059
stranger than fiction this this was an

707
00:26:40,369 --> 00:26:38,279
interesting one too man you you trace

708
00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:40,379
fiction throughout history and how it

709
00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:42,990
may actually be based around non

710
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:45,750
or vice versa you know when dealing with

711
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,210
with others coming from the sky and

712
00:26:52,639 --> 00:26:50,880
things like this so would you care to

713
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:52,649
touch a little bit about on the theories

714
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:54,179
that you brought about in this chapter

715
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:56,850
so this chapter was probably my favorite

716
00:27:01,130 --> 00:26:59,580
chapter derive just because it pulls in

717
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:01,140
so many things that I'm interested in

718
00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:02,700
not just you have followed in

719
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:04,950
cryptozoology but pop culture and

720
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:08,460
mythology the unknown and one of the

721
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:11,760
things going into it was you know I did

722
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,710
a story on the website that interviewed

723
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:16,080
you for I believe as well I was talking

724
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:17,880
about how a lot of people who are

725
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:19,770
interested in this topic tend to

726
00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:21,929
eventually write fiction down the line I

727
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,080
mean you really Stryver who is a fiction

728
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:27,480
author first before his you know before

729
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:30,120
his is nonfiction career he was talking

730
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:33,539
about what happened to him so that for

731
00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:34,890
me it was always like well are the lines

732
00:27:38,779 --> 00:27:36,870
being blurred so I kind of you know I

733
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:38,789
was always kind of against this idea of

734
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:40,679
people who not know sort of people who

735
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:42,690
write fiction and writing nonfiction but

736
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:44,340
I always it kind of you know

737
00:27:48,620 --> 00:27:46,710
the idea of we have to city of Oslo

738
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:48,630
disclosure through pop culture and I was

739
00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:50,580
always kind of like that's not necessary

740
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:52,190
you know there's the idea as a

741
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:54,600
Hollywood's been making these films and

742
00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:56,970
you know these these act these these

743
00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:59,159
these fiction franchises you know just

744
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:01,080
as a way to kind of soften the blow to

745
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:02,130
some of these things and I was always

746
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,380
kind of like that's not needed and I

747
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:07,440
still estate think that but you know the

748
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:10,110
lines are blurred in a good way as well

749
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,090
I think it all kind of goes together I

750
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:14,880
think you see mythology it was I think

751
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:17,130
it forms by real-life religion which is

752
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:18,840
influenced by real-life folklore all

753
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:20,220
these things are influenced by something

754
00:28:23,539 --> 00:28:21,419
you know one of the things I kind of

755
00:28:25,159 --> 00:28:23,549
went to was not just mythology but you

756
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:25,169
know the idea of you know gods among men

757
00:28:31,159 --> 00:28:28,890
and that's kind of a big thing in the

758
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:31,169
movie Batman V Superman which I know it

759
00:28:33,889 --> 00:28:32,159
you know it's kind of panned by critics

760
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,899
but I'm a big fan of it because I like

761
00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:36,480
how Zack Snyder took this idea of what

762
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:38,309
would it be like if we had in a real

763
00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:40,200
world situation gods living among men

764
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:42,419
alien beings coming down how people

765
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,970
react to Superman in a real world and in

766
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:46,679
the there's there's a line in that movie

767
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:47,820
from Lex Luthor where he talks about

768
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,700
that metahuman thesis the idea of the

769
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:52,740
hunter myths gods among men now is

770
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:54,299
really fascinating to me it's like all

771
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,890
these stories you know all these

772
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:58,080
heroes it all comes from something else

773
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:59,580
and one of the books I'm reading right

774
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:01,080
now it's from Jeffrey [\h__\h] it's

775
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:02,490
called mutant to mystics it kind of goes

776
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:04,410
into further detail about that so it was

777
00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:06,510
always fascinating to me that there's a

778
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:08,520
lot of parallels to be drawn between

779
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:10,860
what it's science researches and what

780
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:13,140
science fiction is you look at which

781
00:29:17,270 --> 00:29:14,460
have in comic books you have this idea

782
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:17,280
of alternate universes and different

783
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:19,140
worlds and one of the guys I talked to

784
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:21,690
for the book was David Marquez who is an

785
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,860
artist and he's part of the creative

786
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:24,960
team at Marvel Comics and I want to get

787
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:26,760
his take about what is this idea about

788
00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:29,220
how you know we kind of we you know

789
00:29:32,390 --> 00:29:30,780
fiction always plays with the idea of

790
00:29:35,030 --> 00:29:32,400
multiple universes and alternate

791
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:35,040
versions of you and you know how our

792
00:29:37,910 --> 00:29:36,450
universe works and how fiction plays a

793
00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:37,920
part of that or how they're influenced

794
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:40,440
by that by with science studies and so

795
00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:42,330
forth I think it's kind of vice versa as

796
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:44,160
well so that was really fascinating to

797
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:46,380
me and you know you have these reports

798
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:49,740
that there is Nordic looking aliens that

799
00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:51,960
look just like us and they almost look

800
00:29:56,150 --> 00:29:54,030
like Nordic gods like or like Odin or

801
00:29:57,740 --> 00:29:56,160
Thor and you go back to mythology and

802
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:57,750
you go home what if there was truth to

803
00:30:02,750 --> 00:29:59,940
that what if that mythology was true

804
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,760
what if these alien visitors were just

805
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:03,360
like us

806
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:05,940
so all these all these fictional stories

807
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:07,110
are who knows you know if they're

808
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:08,730
fictions many more well we hit what they

809
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:11,070
are is they're stories and that's why

810
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,270
it's kind of title stranger than fiction

811
00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:14,820
because you know we don't know but

812
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:16,920
there's so many parallels yes there are

813
00:30:21,050 --> 00:30:19,020
and the one thing I always come back to

814
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:21,060
is you know people like arthur c clarke

815
00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:24,230
or gene Roddenberry these these

816
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:27,230
behemoths of science fiction how

817
00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:30,930
unbelievably intelligent they are to to

818
00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:32,940
sort of use science fiction as a

819
00:30:37,910 --> 00:30:35,340
catapult of either influencing our

820
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:37,920
future or what our future could become

821
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:40,140
and that's always really stuck with me

822
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:42,230
is a lot of these things we look at in

823
00:30:49,220 --> 00:30:46,440
fiction you know 30 40 50 a hundred

824
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,230
years ago are now coming true and again

825
00:30:53,740 --> 00:30:51,720
it's that that tandem of did it

826
00:30:56,420 --> 00:30:53,750
influence us did our literature and

827
00:30:58,790 --> 00:30:56,430
stories throughout time influence us

828
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:58,800
moving forward or is it just they were

829
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,840
able to see so far ahead of where we

830
00:31:05,270 --> 00:31:03,120
were heading it's it's fascinating

831
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:05,280
and I'm really happy you included this

832
00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:07,230
chapter because I could see an entire

833
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:08,350
book right

834
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:11,289
just about this topic and having to do

835
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:14,169
with UFOs as well so yeah yeah this is

836
00:31:19,289 --> 00:31:15,700
definitely one of my favorites as well

837
00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:19,299
in the next chapter that I really like

838
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:21,280
the title of this is party on apocalypse

839
00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:23,950
this is at FG song right yeah yeah I

840
00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:25,960
knew it I knew it one of my all-time

841
00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:27,640
favorite bands growing up I actually

842
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:31,000
went to see blink and New Found Glory

843
00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:33,460
one summer in my hometown of Syracuse

844
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:36,520
New York nfg was opening for blink and I

845
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,020
left after nfg finish that's how much I

846
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:42,640
found a great show it was blink New

847
00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:43,120
Found Glory

848
00:31:48,659 --> 00:31:45,460
in Midtown yes yep yep that was the tour

849
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:48,669
exactly yeah that was good I miss those

850
00:31:54,779 --> 00:31:51,820
days man anyway one of my first concerts

851
00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:54,789
ever went to I think really oh wow

852
00:31:59,039 --> 00:31:57,190
nostalgia at its best newfound glory

853
00:32:01,649 --> 00:31:59,049
just played here in LA a couple weeks

854
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:01,659
ago I wasn't able to make it but oh well

855
00:32:06,899 --> 00:32:04,390
such is life but again party on

856
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:06,909
apocalypse I love this title we are

857
00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:11,530
talking a lot about end of days and doom

858
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:14,500
and gloom being sort of told to us from

859
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,590
from the symbols and these beings that

860
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:19,120
people supposedly come into contact with

861
00:32:24,539 --> 00:32:21,250
and the the cover of your book is

862
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:24,549
pyramid and I want to sort of dive into

863
00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:26,650
that with you here because you talked a

864
00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:28,630
lot about symbology and messages

865
00:32:31,890 --> 00:32:30,220
throughout different types of mysteries

866
00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:31,900
you know the pyramids the Freemasons and

867
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:35,470
whatnot and again acclaimed abductees

868
00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:36,850
said that they've been given these

869
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:39,220
messages by other intelligences as well

870
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:41,010
you know stop destroying the planet

871
00:32:45,870 --> 00:32:44,350
don't do this do this so would you care

872
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:45,880
to elaborate what you were really trying

873
00:32:50,899 --> 00:32:48,070
to go for when it came to this chapter I

874
00:32:53,549 --> 00:32:50,909
kind of wanted to relay the idea that

875
00:32:55,529 --> 00:32:53,559
these people are having these same

876
00:32:57,390 --> 00:32:55,539
experiences or similar experiences and

877
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,400
these been happening since the beginning

878
00:33:01,710 --> 00:32:59,200
of time and this is before the internet

879
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:01,720
so before people had the means to if

880
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:03,130
they if they want to do actually create

881
00:33:06,539 --> 00:33:04,780
a fictional story or a hoax these were

882
00:33:08,669 --> 00:33:06,549
happening to people and the fact that

883
00:33:11,850 --> 00:33:08,679
you know there are structures on the

884
00:33:13,409 --> 00:33:11,860
planet that are the same before there

885
00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:13,419
was those means of communication the

886
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:15,100
fact that you have pyramids or pure like

887
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:18,010
structures all over all over the world

888
00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:19,370
whether you'd agree that

889
00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:21,020
you don't believe in Pangaea or you know

890
00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:23,420
the ancient astronaut theory I think

891
00:33:27,580 --> 00:33:24,440
there's something there

892
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:27,590
so yeah the the reason why I chose the

893
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:28,910
pyramid on the cover of the book I came

894
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:30,770
up with this idea of a very simple

895
00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:34,070
design of triangle because they need the

896
00:33:38,290 --> 00:33:35,720
shape of a triangle shows up a lot too

897
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:38,300
and you have follow G and Freemasonry it

898
00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:41,510
shows up in a lot of things so the idea

899
00:33:47,020 --> 00:33:43,820
of this shape of a triangle and then I

900
00:33:48,730 --> 00:33:47,030
put sevens signs going out of it the

901
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:48,740
number seven is symbolic as well by one

902
00:33:52,210 --> 00:33:50,390
dad this very simplistic design and when

903
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:52,220
they the artist came back with it almost

904
00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:54,170
looked like a cave drawing and it looked

905
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,790
really cool and they decided to put it

906
00:33:59,650 --> 00:33:57,679
in front of an actual pyramid I just

907
00:34:01,060 --> 00:33:59,660
wanted to have the shape but I think it

908
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:01,070
really does a good job of kind of

909
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,770
bringing in you know this idea of true

910
00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:06,320
believers and and throughout time this

911
00:34:10,990 --> 00:34:08,870
this belief system yeah absolutely I

912
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,000
love the cover and I do love that they

913
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:12,800
they added the pyramid because it does

914
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:16,399
it it evokes this idea of these things

915
00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:19,310
have been happening far longer than any

916
00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:22,190
of us can even imagine and you know I

917
00:34:27,129 --> 00:34:24,470
spoke to an Egyptologist a few weeks ago

918
00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:27,139
at alien Con here in LA put on by

919
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,440
ancient aliens and someone asked him all

920
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:32,720
right man you know with ancient aliens

921
00:34:37,180 --> 00:34:35,090
do they really think that aliens came

922
00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:37,190
here and built the pyramids and he was

923
00:34:39,879 --> 00:34:39,260
the first to say no no that's not what

924
00:34:44,619 --> 00:34:39,889
we're saying

925
00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:44,629
Egyptians in specific were given

926
00:34:50,050 --> 00:34:46,760
messages from the gods or given messages

927
00:34:53,139 --> 00:34:50,060
about how to how to prosper how to

928
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,149
thrive how to create a civilization a

929
00:34:58,090 --> 00:34:55,520
society and we hear this throughout time

930
00:35:00,340 --> 00:34:58,100
that that people are given messages on

931
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:00,350
how to do things how to further humanity

932
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:02,990
and his big thing is we're not saying

933
00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:04,970
aliens built the pyramids we're saying

934
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:07,220
possibly the Egyptians were given

935
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:10,310
messages on how to do it and that's what

936
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:12,890
led them forward and made them do these

937
00:35:16,510 --> 00:35:14,570
incredible things that people don't

938
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:16,520
think human beings could do but we are

939
00:35:21,340 --> 00:35:18,710
far more capable than most people give

940
00:35:22,990 --> 00:35:21,350
us credit for and that's what I found

941
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:23,000
really interesting right there you've

942
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:25,130
got the pyramids and that's on the cover

943
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,930
of your book so this is a really

944
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:28,880
interesting one it really made me think

945
00:35:32,770 --> 00:35:31,850
and I'm glad you covered that one the

946
00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:32,780
last chapter

947
00:35:39,370 --> 00:35:35,950
I really wanted to touch on with you is

948
00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:39,380
the big D word that a lot of people

949
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:41,180
don't like but a lot of people do like

950
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:43,610
and that is disclosure chapter 19

951
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:46,490
disclosure closure I love this quote

952
00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:48,770
that you had in this chapter in its

953
00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:51,350
quote the thing is disclosure doesn't

954
00:35:56,830 --> 00:35:54,200
mean a damn thing if we as a public

955
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,840
don't care enough so right there man

956
00:35:59,800 --> 00:35:58,400
that says so much so what were you

957
00:36:01,870 --> 00:35:59,810
trying to say with this quote before I

958
00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:01,880
try to decipher it what I'm trying to

959
00:36:06,730 --> 00:36:04,190
say is you know that's such a big debate

960
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:06,740
in you know in you ethology and is

961
00:36:10,090 --> 00:36:08,270
disclosure disclosure everything has to

962
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:10,100
be disclosure you know if it's not the

963
00:36:13,870 --> 00:36:11,930
full truth you know we don't want it and

964
00:36:15,790 --> 00:36:13,880
just it's just a very impatient

965
00:36:18,670 --> 00:36:15,800
community and I'm a very impatient

966
00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:18,680
person I get back but at the same time

967
00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:21,080
it's just like I feel like the standards

968
00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:23,120
are always so high if it's not

969
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:25,460
disclosure it's you know we don't care

970
00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:28,910
and the thing is outside of this think

971
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:30,350
about for a minute how much of the

972
00:36:33,610 --> 00:36:31,910
mainstream public really care about this

973
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:33,620
topic now I know it's becoming more

974
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:35,210
mainstream and more acceptable and I

975
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,890
know a lot of people do believe but how

976
00:36:40,810 --> 00:36:38,480
many people believe enough to actually

977
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,820
read more about it or research about it

978
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:43,040
or so that's what I'm trying to do with

979
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:44,270
the book it's trying to get people to

980
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:46,370
kind of say hey maybe I should care

981
00:36:49,330 --> 00:36:48,110
about it and one of the things is it's

982
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,340
hard because there's so many challenges

983
00:36:53,590 --> 00:36:51,920
I mean we live in a world where things

984
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:53,600
are progressively getting worse as a

985
00:36:57,310 --> 00:36:55,190
human race you have things to worry

986
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:57,320
about we have families we have finances

987
00:37:00,700 --> 00:36:59,210
we have you know we have we have

988
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:00,710
interests we have all these things on

989
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:02,510
our plate we have work you know that

990
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:04,490
it's it's hard to find the time I love

991
00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:06,770
all these all the podcasts I love you

992
00:37:10,180 --> 00:37:08,180
and all the other podcasts as well I

993
00:37:12,910 --> 00:37:10,190
wish I had time to listen to every

994
00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:12,920
single one yeah every once - oh I'm able

995
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,390
to eat that was to get one in here and

996
00:37:19,690 --> 00:37:16,640
there but yeah it's hard so think about

997
00:37:22,060 --> 00:37:19,700
it you know to get the average be public

998
00:37:23,590 --> 00:37:22,070
to kind of invest their free time and

999
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:23,600
one of the things I mentioned on the

1000
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,040
side did a story on the website about

1001
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:27,440
what we do for day jobs and you know a

1002
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:29,810
lot of us don't do this for for a living

1003
00:37:33,790 --> 00:37:31,130
you know we do this for no money

1004
00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:33,800
I mean you know this is as well as I do

1005
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:35,030
in terms of being an author you know

1006
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:36,440
we'll see any you know we don't see much

1007
00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:39,170
money for writing books you know Stevie

1008
00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:40,520
King we don't have a million dollar sign

1009
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:42,350
and contract you know we do this because

1010
00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:44,090
we're passionate about it we enjoy it

1011
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:45,350
we're interested about it we're trying

1012
00:37:48,529 --> 00:37:46,170
to get the word out

1013
00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:48,539
and so I think that's kind of a another

1014
00:37:52,009 --> 00:37:50,069
thing it's not a barrier rehab is that

1015
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:52,019
people have to be interested and they

1016
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:54,599
have to have the time to do so so if the

1017
00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:56,220
mainstream public doesn't care

1018
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,630
disclosure doesn't mean a thing

1019
00:38:02,029 --> 00:37:59,760
I mean Project Blue Book whether it's

1020
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:02,039
it's you know hundred percent accurate

1021
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:03,750
or not that should have been a huge

1022
00:38:07,849 --> 00:38:05,849
story it wasn't people they did it

1023
00:38:10,549 --> 00:38:07,859
people outside of our community care no

1024
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:10,559
not a little bit and something like that

1025
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:12,450
you would kind of you say oh wow that's

1026
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:14,250
that's i opening you know you would

1027
00:38:18,319 --> 00:38:17,010
think but nobody here yeah I mean I have

1028
00:38:20,059 --> 00:38:18,329
I've had so many people come up to me

1029
00:38:23,029 --> 00:38:20,069
since you know the trailer for this new

1030
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:23,039
Hynek television series dropped called

1031
00:38:26,839 --> 00:38:25,049
Project Blue Book coming up to me and be

1032
00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:26,849
like dude frighten is this real like did

1033
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,470
they actually have an Air Force project

1034
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:30,480
that investigating UFOs yeah like

1035
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:34,740
[\h__\h] 40 years ago come on guys you

1036
00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:37,740
know and then the whole a tech thing

1037
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:41,430
going on now that was huge news you know

1038
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:43,859
for us at least in the UFO community and

1039
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:46,140
we thought for the mainstream but then

1040
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:48,900
within weeks it was kind of 10th page

1041
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:51,210
news in the newspaper at that point i do

1042
00:38:57,019 --> 00:38:53,700
give credit to some people out there

1043
00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:57,029
even Tucker Carlson on Fox News of all

1044
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,130
things that continues to cover this

1045
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:02,160
topic and bring Louis on bring Nick Pope

1046
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:04,529
on and and ask really good questions

1047
00:39:10,249 --> 00:39:07,920
about UFOs so there are some people out

1048
00:39:12,859 --> 00:39:10,259
there who care but like you said maybe

1049
00:39:15,049 --> 00:39:12,869
not enough to really get the interest

1050
00:39:16,759 --> 00:39:15,059
there and when at the end of the day the

1051
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:16,769
way I kind of look at it man is we can

1052
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,529
either waste our energy in trying to

1053
00:39:25,279 --> 00:39:21,960
legitimize the topic and get more people

1054
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:25,289
interested or we can keep researching

1055
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:28,859
and try to tap into these mysteries and

1056
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:30,900
get answers for ourselves this is a very

1057
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,630
personal topic I think for every person

1058
00:39:37,279 --> 00:39:36,000
heavily involved in it yeah we want the

1059
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,289
truth out for the public but at the end

1060
00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:38,880
of the day we want the truth for

1061
00:39:43,759 --> 00:39:41,190
ourselves we want to know our purpose

1062
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,769
why these things are happening why it

1063
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,480
may have touched our lives or not

1064
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:48,240
touched our lives and that's what's

1065
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:49,650
always fascinated me this is a very

1066
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:52,170
selfish and personal topic it means

1067
00:39:55,609 --> 00:39:53,640
something different to each and every

1068
00:39:58,309 --> 00:39:55,619
person and I think you really tapped

1069
00:39:59,530 --> 00:39:58,319
into this with true believers at least

1070
00:40:02,410 --> 00:39:59,540
in my opinion

1071
00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:02,420
I I guess I kind of wanna wrapping

1072
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:05,000
things up here is asked in saying true

1073
00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:07,610
believers what do you make of of this

1074
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:11,240
entire topic in general do you believe

1075
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:13,730
that we are being visited do you believe

1076
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:15,530
this is a topic that could ultimately

1077
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change humanity if we are being visited

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what do you think as Mike Demonte I'm

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gonna put you on the spot here

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first I'm gonna go back to what you said

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how there's you know we have these

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groups of people who want we're doing

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that research and we have these groups

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people who are interested and that's a

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synergy that I kind of want the book to

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create you know we have these you know

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these millionaires and billionaires like

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Elon Musk and Bigelow who are actually

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putting their money into research and

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stuff but we also like I said we also

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need a public to care about it as well

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so I think they kind of go hand in hand

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I don't think it's an either/or thing I

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think you kind of need to have you need

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to have both going forward because

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you're right it is a selfish thing you

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know we kind of want answers for

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ourselves as well but you know we want a

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populace to be able to share these

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answers with and to them to actually

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care and it's hard because you know the

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new cycle is dominated with so much so

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many other things going on right now

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it's hard to get get this stuff you know

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in the media but you had to go back to

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your question yes I do believe you're

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being visited I do think it's one of the

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greatest questions of our time and I

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think the answers are there I think

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they're there in our mythology there you

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pick from some religion to you could you

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know they're in Sciences they're all

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there but the thing is you kind of have

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to suspend some of your disbelief so

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what your your belief systems are to

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kind of accept some of these these ideas

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and these these theories that may sound

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so far out you know people are so

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dismissive of stuff it's just not you

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know if it's not what they previously

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believed that science can do and or what

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they previously taught before you know

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they're so opposed to it and you know I

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have friends who are really educated

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really smart people who are just like no

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we never been visited and they're just

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like so adamant about it and it's like

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why can't you open up your mind to that

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possibility because all these people

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don't read the stuff that we do they

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don't look into some of the some of the

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avenues that we do that are against

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mainstream ways of thinking and I think

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that's where you have to start you have

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to basically say well what if but my

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first book you know talk about the

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journalist you learn to question

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everything what you should do you know

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you should be skeptical you should

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question everything but

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so you should always pose the question

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what if because you know history is

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changing I believe so a science there

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definitely absolutely I you know I

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always come back to that quote people

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forget that there's going to be a 22nd

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00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:29,150
century a 23rd century science changes

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we have to go along for that ride and

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00:42:36,339 --> 00:42:34,009
and know that things we once thought are

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00:42:37,689 --> 00:42:36,349
going to be shattered into a million

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00:42:40,329 --> 00:42:37,699
little pieces that we're gonna have to

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00:42:43,329 --> 00:42:40,339
pick up in a whole new light so I guess

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you know closing things up here true

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00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:46,910
believers it's out tomorrow from when

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00:42:50,709 --> 00:42:48,890
this is going to release so where can we

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00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:50,719
find the book and more about what you're

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00:42:55,089 --> 00:42:53,420
up to you punk rock in UFOs calm will be

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00:42:56,529 --> 00:42:55,099
you'll be able to they'll be links on

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00:42:58,839 --> 00:42:56,539
there you can also go to amazon and

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barnesandnoble.com as well also live in

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houston texas so be at the river oaks

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bookstore you be able about physical

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copies there as well which that's gonna

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be available in physical and digital

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formats your kindle your itunes

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what-have-you

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yeah but pod rock UFOs is a good way to

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00:43:15,339 --> 00:43:12,709
get site to go to see what I'm up to you

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in terms of after the book and stories

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and reviews and research and other

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00:43:22,059 --> 00:43:19,160
things I'm gonna be doing after the book

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so yeah punk rock near folks calm or

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follow me on Twitter as well at Mike

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Demonte my name that's how to find me

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perfect man and I'm gonna say this right

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now the more I do this show in the more

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I researched this topic the more

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skeptical I become and I don't

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necessarily think that's a bad thing but

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after reading true believers I'm gonna

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tell you right now I am leaning more

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towards the believer side every chapter

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I dive into with this book man so

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00:43:52,029 --> 00:43:49,789
congratulations I think this is a great

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00:43:54,459 --> 00:43:52,039
book for anyone out there who's who's

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new to the topic or a veteran it's gonna

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00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,049
open your eyes for sure and I can't wait

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to see what comes next for punk rock and

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00:44:03,370 --> 00:44:02,029
UFOs vol 3 thank you so much right like

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I said I appreciate it I'm a big

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00:44:06,219 --> 00:44:04,939
supporter of your show and your

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00:44:08,709 --> 00:44:06,229
friendship I really appreciate all that

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00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:08,719
stuff and yes there will be a volume 3

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hopefully one day hopefully you complete

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00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:14,059
the trilogy yes we all know trilogies

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are the best and we eagerly await that

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00:44:20,169 --> 00:44:18,559
with open eyes and open minds my man so

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thank you again for coming on somewhere

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in this guy's are you that's it for this

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week's episode my thanks again to Mike

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for coming on

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be sure to grab punk rocking UFOs true

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believers at your local bookstore or

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order it online at Amazon or at mike's

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00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,890
website where he's constantly posting

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00:44:40,330 --> 00:44:39,200
some of the best articles on UFOs out

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there today

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believers and remember keep your feet on

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the ground but never stop searching

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of the earth

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the conspiracy owes you a living well

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that's way better than an Amazon Prime

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membership you all the world I declare

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the earth is hollow and habitable within

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at a restaurant she bends a fork with

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her mind she does it y'all come for an

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extended stay at rabbit hole motel calm